Season 2, Episode 20 - Allies

Air Dates:
CA: Jan. 30, 8 PM (TMN)
US: Mar. 10, 9 PM (Sci Fi Channel)
UK: Mar. 15, 8 PM (Sky One)

Atlantis joins forces with a Wraith faction led by Michael, the Wraith they tried to turn into a human, who seeks their help in destroying their common enemies.

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All I can say is... OMG!!!

But seriously only two hive ships against all of Earth?

Also it appears the Orion is MUCH bigger than I thought after the last episode....

This post has been edited by Radagast: Jan 30th 2006, 8:46 PM

AWWWWWW
I can't wait......

Nice episode, cant wait to see what they'll do or who they'll call.

hmmm maybe the ori can help them....

nah to extreme

although im really curious to see what will happen

HOLEY sh*t! fu**ing awesome episode!

Good F302 scenes. Solid show from start to finish. Best of the year! DAMN now we have to wait until August to see the conclusion! AKKKKK!

So now the wraith have the information needed to correct their ships to make the hyperspeed jump to earth and also where infact earth is. I wonder what it was that McKay put into the wraith ship. He said he left something in the programming incase it is needed when he was fixing the wraith ship.

They said they had the wraith program isolated in non networking firewall protected areas so how did it worm hole its way out into the network to upload the Aurora and the location of every single populated planet? I can see it breaking through a firewall but if the area it was in was not networked it could not have found the information.

Also seriously WTF was she thinking? There must have been a back program or plan that we the viewers were not aware of in case the Wraith tried to double cross them.

CGI was outstanding. Great job. Nice to see the Big D in battle with the wraith ships and that the F302's finally got involved.

So the Orion is ready. Almost. Just needs the drones to work but everything else is a go. I guess the Orion is going to follow the wraith ships back to Earth. Also I wonder where Shep went to. His F302 disappeared during the battle with the two wraith ships. I bet he flew into the wraith ship to try and save McKay. Or maybe he went to the Orion. Who knows.

Its going to be a hard wait for August and S3 to start!

Actually upon further consideration it isn't a whole lot different from the cliffhanger at the end of SG1 season 1... Although back then Apophis didn't know they were on the ship.

I wonder how many F302's have been built and are stationed on Earth? Lots I bet.

Maybe we get to see an Azgard ship fight the Wraith?

Maybe a joint Atlantis-SG1 episode?

Hmmm...

When IS the next episode anyway?

What do you mean what is the next episode? There is none. That is it!

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jan 30th 2006, 9:03 PM

My brother brought up the point that the Wraith likely don't know how well Earth is defended.

Still I don't see how two hive ships will have even the slightest chance... The Prometheus and any other ships we may have, F-302's, the Drones, plus if we need them maybe Jaffa or Azgard... ouchy to the Wraith.

For me right now it's more of a cliffhanger on "how the heck will the writers make it interesting - what tricks are up their sleeves?" moreso than "oh no whatever shall earth do."

The Prometheus and Daedalus class ships can't do anything to the Wraith. They will just pummle the ships and destroy them.

This is because our ships don't have weapons which can harm the Wraith Hive ships.

Now the Squidies from the Orion on the other hand....

it would be surprising that the wraith would come into SG1's storyline, considering that they already have one bad guy to fight (which are the ori). but if the wriath do apear it will be in season 10 of stargate sg1. im betting that the two hive ships wont even make it to the milky way. the orion will kick its but before that happens. also i noticed for the first time how small the deadulas is compared to the hive ships and the orion is huge so it will be a good stand off between a hive ship and the orion.

ps does anyone know if they have started writing scripts for season 3 of SGA, and where would one go to see some spoilers and such of this

and how the hell are they going to get to earth?? taking what?? 200 years??

they only took two bits of info...

location of planets, and teh aurora mission files??

nothing to modify the hyperdrive (unless of course rodney ... ummm.. whilst being interrogated gives everything up...)

i thought fighting scenes were good...

but the fact is that atlantis still hasnt learnt about wraith virus's ceases to amaze me......

i reckon earth ships make tonnes of noise/fireworks and is very distracting, but does little more than that

shoulda taken the orion and pulverised their arses when they betrayed SGA

Omg i have to say the best episode ever

But seriously what can 2 wraith hive ship do. Nothing If they send alll of our ship F302s, Prometheus, Dedalus Orion, Odyssey and maybe few Jaffa ships like Hatak, Alkesh, Gliders they dont stand a chance. Earth have powerfull shield so do Jaffas. All that togheter is a lots of fire power and remember Hives dont have shield and the only reason that rockets couldnt reach hives is because the darts have intersepted the rockets so now the question is if they can intersept all that fire?

well in earth galaxy we are not the onlyones who have ships the Azgard they woulnt help cus they are ageinst of fighting as we all know that but jaffa have loads of ships and they are friends with earth now to so the wraith have no chance if they come here the deadalus was made one year after the prometheus and it looked that they made it with one year so they can build new ones cus thats what we do we build more more and more ships war ships the us way like they build guns and weapons air force is building airplanes so if they build airplanes and have the technology of building war ships what flies to a nother galaxy then they will build them to much they can

damn i hate when they do that let us w8 so damn lond with the two part episodes but this was gr8 episode like one before that

i hope u guys understand what i mean cus my eng is not that good

This post has been edited by graba: Jan 31st 2006, 7:02 AM

I think Wraith plan sucks ones they get to Earth there are atleast Prometheus, 20 Ha'taks and few Asgard ships waiting. But how many Hives are actually on they way??.. Great Episode Hopefully they won't pass throught Ori galaxy

This post has been edited by tykkimies: Jan 31st 2006, 7:17 AM

AS long as i know there are only 2 hives on way of course its posible that they contacted other hive ships but i think they didnt because then they would have to share the food perhaps they called 2 more or so that they would be 5 hives total.
But still they dont stand a chance aganist shielded ships. They could even win this without asgard help easly


Of course the problem is if the go to another planet not earth where they could make a stronghold and use stargates to scout the galaxy and probably gain some better tehnology.

I dont think Earth will find the fight easy, but im thinking that its more likely that the Orion is gonna catch the Wraith ships before they reach Earth, possibly even with Sheppard on board, although it would be much more fun if he were indeed on one of the Hive ships, either as a captive or trying to free Mckay and Ronan.

Sounds like a '24' twist to me.

S3 starts usually in August.

They said they were going to earth. The wraith told McKay that the ship was on the way to Earth.

That is not the only thing they just did not take the Aurora mission records they took EVERYTHING pertaining to the Aurora mission. Everything they learned about the statis pods, hyperdrive....everything. It was all the wraith needed to get hyperdrive technology. They were close already. This just pushed them over the top.

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jan 31st 2006, 9:28 AM

I considered that they might actually not have the full hyperdrive yet and might be hoping McKay will fix it for them. That would take some twisting of the plot though!

I'm guessing Sheppard is on board the hive ship - in fact I'm pretty sure that was his intention the whole time.

Did anyone else notice how actually puny the Wraith weapons are? They had several seconds of direct fire against the D with shields down and while causing a fair bit of damage did not destroy it.

I'm sure the D has trinium-alloy armour but still... Those Hive ships have guns that can wreck another Hive ship in fairly short order....

Surely ONE of the Atlantis team backed up the wraith data to some form of permanent media like a DVD or something?! So they can reinstall it but isolate the virus and still have all that data?

This post has been edited by Radagast: Jan 31st 2006, 9:35 AM

Euuuuuu Radagast you could be very right. They may have been trying to psych out McKay and the viewers. Maybe they do not have the capabilities to go to earth at all. Never thought of that. Good ideal!

Ok until I re-watch this episode (which I am soo gonna do soon) I can't be sure of anything but....
It seems to me that currently the wraith hive ships are not going to Earth, they have no way of doing so I can't see how it is possible to just upgrade the hyperdrive like that it would need a completly new one.......

However they quite possibly know where the Orion is, and it is currently not manned (or fairly empty) and no way of defending itself as the drone system was not online. The Orion also has a hyperdrive that is capable of travelling to Earth, so what bets are that they pinch that. Either that or the other hive ship already did. So does this mean only one ship will be traveling to Earth, and if it is the Orion with its drones/shields occupied by the wraith..... well Earth will be in trouble.

However the writers have not proven themselves to be all that smart, and my belief is that they are going to claim that the wraith upgraded their hyperdrive in less than a day from the info gathered from the orion and are now on their way to Earth, boring and so unbelievable in my opinion. What would be more interesting is that if Rodneys modifications to the wraith hive ship allowed them to directly integrate the Orions hyperdrive into hiveship, and that that ship is currently towing the other hiveship to Earth, like Thor did to the promie in SG1's Unnatural Selection. Again not likely.

I too would like to know WHY the data the wraith sent to Atlantis was allowed to reside on computers that had information that we would never want the wraith to find out.

OH OH OH, Mckay and Hermoid (or however you spell it), those two go together so well, Rodey thinking he is smarter than an asgard, priceless. Ronan is really annoying, all he does is growl and get angry then try and kill some wraith only to reluctly let go.... over and over again, in every episode BORING. hehe Urgo, I loved Urgo *try the paddles*... ok back to Atlantis.

Now we are left at the end of the episode thinking.."What happened to Sheppard" just like last season.. is this going to be a growing trend??? Anyway the 302's quite possibly have hyperdrives, however they are not capable of traveling all that far, but could he of gone to the Orion? The instability problems with the naquadria were in some part solved for the prommie (barring a collapsing star), so could be quite possible. Also there is a possibility that the hyperdrive in the 302 (if it has one) is better than the wraiths, remember that there was nothing to suggest that the hyperdrive in the prommie required multiple hops to get to other planets, that was only when fitted with a hyperdrive from a smaller goa'uld ship not the naqudria generator hyperdrive.

I would love for the Ori to meet with the wraith (well a prior atleast), however that would be highly unlikely. But it would be great if there still was a cross between SG1 and Atlantis, and the wraith do make it to Earth.

Edit: Ok it seems the only got info on the Aurora, so good chance they don't yet know about the Orion. Now what info on the Aurora do we have that they want? I hardly believe we have detailed specs on its hyperdrive technology, if thats what they wanted why not take it from the Atlantis city's information on its own hyperdrive?

This post has been edited by Man: Jan 31st 2006, 9:58 AM

F302 do not have hyperdrives.

The wraith do not know about the Orion. They have no clue it even exists. Let alone where it is.

Yes i agree the orion wont come to wraith hands but probably they wont be able to use it to destroy the hives on way to easy


But as far as i know the x302 has hiperdrive they never said they stop building it for it and we know the first prototype had one

Shepard was probably caught in hiperdrive window of a hive ship and just took a ride with it he probably wouldnt be able to track hive ship on his own

Hi!

I'm new here and this is my first post. I just wanted to say that this was an amazing episode! But just to add to the hyperdrive -discussion: In the previous episode Weir said (when talking with Sheppard in her office about Orion) that Rodney should have the technical specs from the Aurora mission and that Rodney should take a look at Orion... so I think it would be natural to assume that the technical specs could include the hyperdrive.... not sure but always a possibility. But I agree that the hive ships won't make it to Earth, because the writers have been saying for the last fwe years that Atlantis and SG-1 will be two different series and that some characters may cross over in a couple of episodes and that's it....

But I can't wait for the conclusion.....