Great episode!

The Aurora did not have an intergalactic hyperdrive, it was not capable of flying to Earth. The wraith that was hooked up to the Aurora tricked the Ancients into upgrading the hyperdrive to an intergalactic one, however they were in a virtual invironment and could not possibly physically upgrade the hyperdrive. During the episode there was also no indication that Mccay even thought about downloading data from the VI, he was more concerned about getting Shep out before being blown up/the data on the wraiths weakness. Also to try and get the data on the wraiths technological weakness he was required to be inside the VI.. so it doesn't seem all that likely that he could have the information on what was being planned to upgrade the hyperdrive.

Prospect of a crossover is very cool. I'd love to see how Go'auld/Asguard/Earth stuff does against Hive ships. Can somebody tell who to do the click here for spoilers thing, please?

Good stuff.

Two hive ships would totally obliterate the prometheus and a few D class ships. Did you not notice the size differences? Prometheus - Hive ship is like row boat - oil tanker. The deadulus went down to 60% shields pretty quick and as far as we know there wasn't any substantial damage to the hives.

I do think they are on the way to earth with upgraded engines but even then it will take weeks at the least. I'm not so sure they will reach earth, perhaps they are intercepted but I wonder if interception is possible in hyperspace. Also, I thought they had to stop to feed?

The F302-thing by sheppard was kind of disappointing, why the hell would you take on a hive ship with a few F302's? Sounds pretty suicidal to me.

Awesome episode!!!!!

Posiblities endless

I mean what if the Wraith turn the retro virus into a virus to transform humans into Wraith. Turning Mckay into one of them? Giving them all the knowledge they need.

sh*t!!!! what if Ford is in the Hive ship?

The Orion was not finished and without mckay to fix.

Like someone said this could be a solo mission of two hive ships but then again they know that they are no match for atlantis and the deadalist alone, What chance due they have against a whole galaxy they don't know of? I know the Asgard have a no fighting policy but like the replicators the wraith are as bad. They have to fight!...But then again there would be no plot if no tension is developed....god.....can't wait.....

Awwww... man I can't wait!!!!


Oh yeah this first post by the way, sorry for all the ackward bable I wrote!!!

Interesting Episode but doubt there will be a crossover considering both teams of writers have been pushing to keep the stories lines completly seperate.

Graba I don't know where you get this Asgard is against viloence stuff? The Asgard aren't the Nox who are truely pacifist species. Asgard only gave us defensive weapons so they couldn't be used against there own ships. Also only reason you didn't see them fight often cause they were busy getting bent over by the replicators for majority of the seasons in sg1.

It's about damn time we see some 302 action even though it wasen't much. What they needed to do was have atlantis computers claim ori space is where earth is. I still don't get the entire concept of how the virus found its way around to other computers when they weren't networked. A misshap like that in the BSG universe would have killed the battlestar a long time ago.

Like others I never noticed how small the big D was compared to hive ships it may have to become the lil D.
Almost looked as though the Big D could prolly fit in a dart bay on the hive ship. I still don't quit understand how rail guns can penatrate hive sheilds but yet a nuclear warhead can't being fired? are they suppose to be like Gou'ald personal sheilds where bullets couldn't get by but a knife being thrown can make it.

first the hive ships dont have any kind of shield as far as w e know but the only reason that rockets with nuclear warheads couldn get to hive is because they are intercepted by darts - there are like hundreds of darts all around the hive that intercept all the rockets and we know that rockets are not very fast perhaps 10M max and are easly intercepted by a dart but on the otherhand a energy based weapon (strong enough-hatack, alkesh or some asgard) would probably destroy the hive with a few shots
The deadalus because of lack of such weapon came up with idea of beeming the nuclear warheads directly on hives of course the wraith found a countermesaure soon. i gues if they cant beem the warheads directly on hives they could try beeming them near the hive like 50m or so from hive. And if they use the naqadah inheanced nuclear bomb (perhaps gatebusters) im sure that would take out the hive ship(if it changed the whole planet to superheated plazma)

The railguns on dedalus are probably just too smal to do any bigger damage they can fight off the darts but a ship as massive as the hive isnt damage at all or very little its like fireing a arrow against the wall made of solid concrete

I'm putting my money on the Wraith stopping by a planet at the edge of our galaxy to feed. Then we find out they're Ori followers so the Ori goes there and beats the crap out of the Wraith for feeding on their followers.

Oh and what would happen if a Wraith tries to feed on an Asgard or a Gouald?

Check out the season 3 rumours on http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/index.shtml

The next part is called no-mans land, and a recurring wraith charachter will be in season 3!

Anyone notice how michael walked away in disgust as the newley humaned wraith wes fed upon??

Would love to see the SG-1 battling the ori and then 2 hive ships come and make it a 3way

Maybe Michael goes soft and decides to help us? It's possible.

I think you all seem to think earth is incapable of defending itself ! sure atlantis now has a whole new stash of drones, and a zpm to spare if im right. So antartica might have another role if the hive ships do reach earth

Then besieds that the asgard had an understanding with the goa'uld, that earth and countless other planets were in a treaty protected by them. I dont actually know tho if this includes all hostile races or just the goa'uld.

And as to the ori ships we will/should be seeing should be comparable to the anchients since theyre half brother off each other, same sorta capabilities etc etc.

But on the upside, mckay knows that the hive ships are mainly organic, so once mckay gets pestered enough, he shits his pants, and somehow the organic material breaks down infront of him. so he and hermoid get to fight again some day.

Welcome to the forum wolf. Weir was talking about the Orion ship and its hyperdrive. The wraith do not know about the Orion. They stole the information on Aurora ship.


I agree. He could be the key to a successful outcome. Even though he does not take the medication with retrovaccine in it he does not seemed to have turned 100% back to being a wraith. He did seem to be quite disgusted with what happened to the wraith turned man.

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jan 31st 2006, 6:03 PM

hmmph..

yeah.....

Michael seem to be quite upset with the feeding of the wraith turned human... he did say being human, gave him an insight into what its like being human... therefore his perceptions should be different?

maybe he frees ronan+ mackay...

and their able together with ... sheps... somehow blow the hives up, and make a run for home

The D took quite a pounding given that size difference! If only we put our hands on better weapons (any good reason we DON'T get any from the Jaffa?!)...

I don't think they need to stop to feed with new hyperdrive.. they had to do it on the old hyperdrive simply because it was so slow.

I think the F302's were trying to distract and maybe cripple the hyperdrives of the Hive ships so they couldn't follow the D back to Atlantis. Not sure, have to wait to rewatch the episode next Tuesday.

Did they disable the Daedalus?

Is it possible that the Wraith were not trying to destroy it... but disable it?

My opinion on this episode: FANTASTIC. I thought it was well layed out, and sets us up nicely for a new season. I loved MacKay's bickering with the Asgard, and how his overconfidence got the best of him. Ronin, as kick-ass as ever, though once again Teyla had almost no point in this series. I think it's almost best to kill her off, as it's slowing them down to a degree. they tried to show Sheppard's concern for her, and then never went back to it.

Oh, and other thing: how do you get something to an un-networked drive over a network, and then set up a firewall for it? Seems a little confusing to me. Though at least they mentioned the firewall for later reasons. Still ...

Overall, great episode and now I can't wait till the summer ... AGAIN.

and now my responses to some of the other posts:

Ow, my eyes. They burn!



The prototype had one because they attached one, post-production.


Thank you for handing out spoilers. I must say, given my big effort to avoid them I have become annoyed with people like you who just assume everyone reads them and wants to know whats happening in the future.


The "new" hyperdrive, as you call it, is simply the old one with new modifications. I'm fairly certain that they will be required to have stop-overs. Just now the stops are farther apart. (the wraith also need to feed, and their hive ship will prolly not hold them over until they reach earth).

As for your second part: yes. they were trying to disable the hyperdrive of the wraith ships.

Loved the episode, not much more to say. Finally some 302 action, have been waiting that for a long time. Ever since the writers said there would be some 302 action at the beginning of the season, while they did have a little action in "Intruder", but that wasn't much. And finally some at the end of the season. I'd like to say thanks to the writers, cause I recommended that they should have some more 302 action and gun fights. And they had both of them, some in Allies and they had a gun fight in Stronghold.

So my expression when I saw this scene:(look below) Was OMG that's incredible, a big thanks to the CGI guys. You made my dream come true. When they said they were escorting the dart to Atlantis, I thought it was definetly the jumpers that would be coming in with the dart and not the 302s. That was incredible


And check out this pic Real nice



Now check this out, the range of the missles of the 302s in action.






Just see the explosion on the right rear side of the HIVE

Next Topic: Size of the HIVE

This is the HIVE that was orbiting right outside Atlantis' planet while sending a dart down to Atlantis.

Next Topic: Where Sheppard could've went
Here's a pic for those who want to speculate and know inside and out of a HIVE

The arrow points to where Sheppard's 302 is.

Last but not least, the argument about how the virus got into the Atlantis' network. But I have to say they were just careless and lazy. They didn't use their brains.
Listen to this:
You got to download it though
Download Link to audio file (Server: YOUSENDIT)

http://www.ben64.com/random_junk/sg1archive/220/




Sweet ep!

Ok two things. I just rewatched the episode and noticed two things.

1) Ziostilon. The F302 missiles never touched the ships. They were destroyed prior to reaching the hives by some kind of counter measures. Just noticed that this time around.

2) When the wraiths send down the second data burst unlike the first time when Weir specifically stated she wanted a non-networking, firewall protected system, with the second one McKay in his exuberance at getting the hive ship information cut Weir off as she was about to say it again and said "Yeah, yeah we're protected by firewalls." No mention that time of the non-networking storage. McKay let them into the systems. The firewalls were obviously not enough.

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Feb 1st 2006, 2:59 AM

1) sorry.. but i swear sheps told em to break opff and keep the fighters of his back... and the missiles were actually trying to destroy the wraith darts... my 2c

2) Lolz..... serves his arse right... its not atlantis that should be worrying.. its him .. hes the one on the wraith ship

He does say that. He is trying to go in to hit the Hive ship with missiles to take out their hyperdrives. He tells the other F302 to keep the darts off his 6 so he can do that.

Here's how I view all this (haven't found a torrent for SGAS2E20)... Supposedly SG1 goes looking for Camelot for a super weapon (not spoiler, rumor). Well, who's to say they won't find a ZPM or two? First ZPM is going to Earth, to power the Stargate for transport to Pegasus, and to power the Antarctic base (after Atlantis sends them some more drones). Since the stargate and base need to run off the same power source, I imagine that they would move the stargate to the Antarctic base (militarily wise, since there's thousands of miles of snow for new virii to infect and villains to slip away to populated areas, and it's in an international area).

The next ZPM that gets found would go to Atlantis to help power shields and weapons. The third, I imagine, would go to the Atlantis sister ship they found a few episodes back, and they could start unearthing it, repairing it, and using it as an Alpha Base. It's a perfect alpha site since it's avoided by the Wraith, it's a copy of Atlantis (although in disrepair), and it might have an interstellar gate.

As for what they do, I would say the wraith could use the Aurora mission logs to find a planet with a ship that has interstellar capabilities, or at least information on it. A normal hyperdrive can be converted to interstellar, as shown by the Aurora episode.

If there's any inter-series mingling, I imagine it would involve the Wraith making it to Earth, the Orion being repaired by Zolenka and being sent to Earth with the Daedelus (and maybe Atlantis, if they go steal two more ZPM's), the Ori being lured to earth, Baal teaming up with Earth and the Jafai against the Ori, and the Asgard getting involved as well (since the Ori are more advanced than the Ancient's). Big big battle, probably be figured out by the super weapon that SG-1 is looking for.

Anyone also thinking that the Wraith chick would be pretty damned hot if she was humanized?