Revan it does have a hyperdrive or else how would it have "jumped" in to assist Atlantis when it was in hiding just out of sensor range?

Ilzy there has to be something in the Aurora logs that can assist the Wraith or else why mention them or make it part of the plot of the episode. Every means something.

Hermoid and McKay should become a couple and get married. They are pure Majorca together!

I was inferring there is a difference between an intergalactic hyperdrive like the Daedelus and Asgard ships have, and the less advanced type that any Ha'tak would carry.

Remember it did not take the Daedelus much time to get to the Aurora, but the journey back to Atlantis would have been months for the Aurora. The Wraith tricked them. It was using them to modify a normal hyperdrive into an intergalactic one. That was the most important contents of the Aurora logs. How to go about upgrading.

On the other hand, the Replicators were able to optimize a Ha'taks hyperdrive for intergalactic travel....

And in fairly short order too!

Just as the Asgard were able to do the same (on a lesser scale) with the pitiful initial hyperdrive on the Prometheus.

So I don't think it'd necesarily take all that long to modify.

On the subject of guns... the rail guns fire a solid projectile at super high speed, very rapidly, is that correct? I wonder if there are any other weapons we have which might be more effective.

Also what's wrong with beaming a 1 gigaton warhead about 500 meters in FRONT of a hive ship? I'm sure it'd still get hurt

And why did nothing ever come out of the experiments to develop some kind of beam weapon at SGC?

The replicators somehow gave it much more power, if you will recall their giant generator bug.

I think the Asgard are supplying Earth with hyperdrives, shield technology, sensors and beaming technology. We did save them again.

I think the Wraith jamming technology is blocking our ability to achieve a transport lock at all, isn't it?

I have wondered how the rail guns work. By definition a rail gun is just a gun that fires projectiles at high velocities via magnetism.

-- Don't quote me on that... I am fairly certain though.

This post has been edited by Revan: Feb 3rd 2006, 8:29 PM

That is how a rail gun normally works yes and it's also the impression I got from The Siege when the one guy was explaining it to Ford.

As far as the jammers go... ok maybe they still can't get a lock but why do you need a lock you have a fair margin for error hehe.

Sorry way too much to read through, but i've read some inquries about the wraith taking over the orion, and dont know if this has been said. But the wraith wouldn't be able to take over the ship. Theyr'e not the ancients and I'm guessin that the ancients safeguarded the technology specifically to prevent the wraith from using it. Only thing that I can think of is that the Wraith would use the retrovirus on the other ship turn them into humans, apply the gene therapy then control the Orion? Humans on the orion, that are wraith?!?! Heck they could pretend to be ancients!!!!! and catch earth off guard! I just dont know, too many unanswered questions in this season ending cliffhanger.

Edit: I also saw some stuff about, the wraith not konwing about the orion, whats to say that nothing in there references to a sister ship?

This post has been edited by Phatboy1437: Feb 3rd 2006, 10:12 PM

I dont think the retrovirus is on the wraith ships. They were going to beam it from the Dedalus. If it is aboard for some other reason maybey McKay will get free and use it on the wraith on the ship, seems to be quite painful for them. I don't understand why they are keeping Ronin around, he doesn't care about earth, and they can't feed on him (he already tried to kill one on their ship!!) why keep him.

I do think if they make it towards earth the Asguard will intercept. Remeber they can track ships quite well that are using hyperdrives in their area of the galaxy. Sorry cant remeber the actual ep they did it in but they did find SG-1 once (at least).

P.S. First post, great forum

The Wraith do not necessarily know that Ronon is a runner from Satida. Also, it was specifically mentioned that the Wraith do not possess the retro-virus.

This post has been edited by Revan: Feb 4th 2006, 1:14 PM

I think it's fairly safe to say there's either a) something we don't know about or b) 3x01 is gonna really suck (a la 2x18).

I like the idea of the twist of the Wraith not actually having the hyperdrive yet but tricking Rodney into doing it for them... That should do something for his ego eh?

Its gotta be something "impending". Meaning the direct threat will be eliminated but the possibiltiy for something bad to happen as direct cause of this event will always linger. Too Confusing? Just like baal lingering around the sg1 galaxy. The wraith threat will be eliminated but one thing will get away and it will linger in the sg1 part of the galaxy. So the wraith will be an underlying threat to the ori. I think this will add for a good outlet to crossover stories, and more interlying plots between sg1 and atlantis.

As far as what it is...well ya got me. They left the story out for the wide imagination. Any number of things could happen.

And whos to say that the wraith cant develop or even tweak their own version of the retrovirus. There was a wraith scientist that worked closely with Zelenka and Beckett.

This post has been edited by Phatboy1437: Feb 5th 2006, 1:54 AM

SO the Acient lost the War with the Wraith because they were arrogant, and did not consider them a formidable enermy until they were outnumbered. you think the Atlantis team should learn from that. But they keep under estimate Wraith, thinking they are just bugs with no brains, They are pretty smart for excuting their plan and deceive everyone,or maybe the Atlantis team is just too dumb?
I hope Mackay has a plan B, I really can't see he trusting the Wraith like that, and he is certainly not that brave, Come on it is Mackay we talking about. Maybe he will have something to save the day!

first of all the admins are going to have to create a way of not giving out spoilers because people who view other episodes before others are getting spoilt.
People shuld be careful what they say and only talk about atlantis in atlantis forums and sg1 in normal forums. If we end up talking about somethings like if they crossover lets not mention what will happen in future episodes and not talk about things happening in the other show. Eg not talking about the promethus (spelling) in atlantis forums or the orion in sg1, if if it might(only might, not saying it will or wont).

Anyway back to the episode, was good to see a few battles more often but how can atlantis be so stupid. The wraith can never be trusted obviously and i thought from the aurora episode that wraith couldnt comminicate so far, thats why the wraith ships we destroyed couldnt tell any other wraith that atlantis was still there so why did they threaten us with it this time???

we should have just blown their ship up when they least expected it so that they didnt have time to communicate but on the other hand, the show must have things like this to carry on running.

One other thing i want to ask is

i thought that on the aurora they never had an intergalatic hyperdrive????? they were aiming to get one because of the wraith but they never got the chance to upgrade it. Which also means why would we need the log because the only thing in the log was a wraith weakness which was deleted and plus we have an intergalatic hyperdrive engine anyway so why would we need it??

and about my other post about not telling people about eps altera i ment spoilers about future episodes, not people who have watched it like canada has this ep

Well, the ori didnt know about earth until vala and daniel took over the bodies of those two villagers, we then find out that the Ancients have been shielding the galaxy that earth is in from the ori. When i say shielding, I mean "hiding." I guess you can only assume that they also did the same with the galaxy in which their main homeworld lied, Pegasus.

For those of you that want to say "didnt the ori and ancients live together?" I think that they parted ways before the ancients established atlantis in pegasus.

They didn't come off as stupid to me. I thought the writers did a good job of making it so that they really had no choice but to accept the alliance offer. Even Teyla, who thought it was a bad idea, agreed that they had no choice. And they were appropriately distrustful.

In the Michael episode, OTOH, I was thinking "how stupid can you people be - this is a BAD idea!" Now I see it was necessary to set up this episode. But I'm glad they had the conversation between Teyla and Sheppard in Allies to show that there actually were people who thought it was a bad idea from the start.



Yeah, he is one cranky asgard. Being assigned to us inferior humans probably only makes him crankier

Makes sense in an Atlantis sort of way - they have to make bad decisions which give them the proper opportunities to make more bad decisions later.

Sweet episode despite obvious "flukes" averyone has diskussed. Would like to see any of us come up with better one though.

Couple of things

First - now it should be fairly easy for Atlantis to distribute retrovirus amongst people on different worlds so when they are attacked and beamed up to wraith ships they can "spray" the wraith. Haha.

But seriously. Something like a retrovirus would be so powerful weapon against the wraith - just hammer the hive with cloaked jumpers and then hit it with the virus. Provided wriath dont have "hazmat suits" on their fedences should be considerably weakened.

Second thing that is really funny is how Caldwell keeps attacking Wraith ships although it was pretty clear the first time that the shields dont last a long time - so why even try. Like in this episode.

And thirdly, why would anyone be so stupid as to board wraith ship. Even if the experiment did go as they wanted, what reason would the wraith have to return McKay - it would serve in their best interest to interrogate him, kill Ronana and Shepperd and alert all other hives so they keep coming ot Atlantis - whre they just gas them. And allt the wraith think it was Atlantians and just keep coming until all the ships but these 2 are left.

If this occurred to me, it surely should have occurred to McKay.

How funny would it have been when wraith would have gone against GoaUld. The Ori are a bit different, they would just smack their asses cause i dont think wraith would be really goood followers so it would actually have been good idea for atlantians to trick the wraith into Ori home galaxy with wrong gate addresses, where Ori no doupt would have destroyed them all for eating their followers.

Cant wait to see season 3

It did occur to McKay. That was the point of his emergency beam-out device. They have to be slightly naive to create storyline opportunities. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a show.

The thing that occured to me the most is how defensive Ronan got when the wraith touched Rodeny's shoulder, personaly I thought he didn't realy like Rodeny that much as I have said on a previous post that didn't work that well but seriously when i think of Ronan and Rodeny I think SLAGGING MATCH!

All in all fantastic episode.

-Wonder where sheppard's 302 went ?
-Where was Teyla? only one sceen she's third on casting in credits even Radek was in it more than her.
-Why didn't Micheal help them if he was so disgusted (though he still might - open for interpretation - NOT SPOILER though, appoligies if it can be persived that way )
-what's with the worm virus the wraith should have uploaded more info than that?

Poor Rodeny, I'm sure he didn't see that one coming (GUILT TRIP ALERT) usualy in a alliance you do not to kill the other guy, so much for good faith, though I was surprised at Rodeny's willingness to go on the ship and thought his reaction to hearing that Ronan would be coming was funny.

Good lines from wraith - "I'm sorry but there's been a change of plans Doctor McKay" (use of 'Doctor' and "sorry" makes me think he actualy likes him, though the whole wanting to eat him kinda blows that out of the water )

Can't wait for season 3. I want to see it now .

perhaps he was trying to be.... civilised........ i find wraith can tlak politly if they wanted to... as seen in this episode, as well as the episode where they crash landed on a penal colony...

possibly i thought he was just loathing.. and exagerating the fact that mackay is f**ked

This post has been edited by Lagger: Feb 5th 2006, 5:39 PM

Atlantis tech is definitely beyond me:

1. Weir says at some point "download to a non-networked firewalled computer" (Please correct me if i am wrong). How can you transfer to a pc which is not connected to a network - and how can a non-networked pc be firewalled? Isn't that contradictory?

2. Why where the screens flickering while the virus erased the wraith-ship schematics? Was it a flickering virus?

Overall a great episode & cliffhanger.

i believe it wasnt erasing the wraith ships schematics but uploading the knowledge they wanted, but as for why they flickered i can not say as i dont know, maybe it was the uploading of what they wanted.

How come wraith seem to know so much about computers but yet they dont have that kind of tech???