I have gone through the thread and tried to edit out spoilers. In some cases I have had to just remove entire messages.

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im thinking the weakness in wraith technology has to be a with some sort of virus...

after this ep, the wraith tells mackay that the ship can regenerate.. and is organic.. if so... a virus could eat the organic parts away, and the wraith would be screwed....

keeping mackay alive is a bad idea... cause if he escapes, he knows quite a bit about wraith tech now, eps after he fixed their ship....

Thanks Arc! You da man

I am curious to know the relative sizes of the various vessels in the stargate universe...

How would I go about 'assimilating' this knowledge?

Im not so sure about our rail runs not even scratching the hive ships....

Remember when McKay and Ronon were on the ship and they were rocked around by an explosion?? Well it was the D's weapons fire that did it!!!!

Sure they only tear little holes in the gigantic ships...but they do tear some holes in it!!

The main problem is that the Hive Ship weaponry is far more powerful. Given enough time I do not doubt that the Daedelus could destroy a Hive.

I wonder if "the good guys" are working on a more effective delivery system for their rockets. The main problem seems to be that they are too slow, which makes them easy targets.

I think they should reverse-engineer drone weapons.

This post has been edited by Revan: Feb 2nd 2006, 10:16 PM

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i actually have to agree, that the daedelus does damage ...

but the damage prob wont be notable, esp after the ship regenerates itself...

maybe they need the rail guns to fire explosive rounds, to increase the amount of damage...

depleted uranium???....

hi, new member here, been watching for along time and reading all the posts, just thought i would mention my own thought,

on the topic of the wraith using the hyperdrive tech from the aurora, i think its safe to say that its not going to happen, if you can remember the log was deleted by the wraith that was in the system, so technically the wraith don't have the info for the inter-galatic drives

just my own thoughts, what you guys think?

I believe the deleted log was the secret communique to the Atlantean High Council about an important Wraith weakness. If you will recall, the Captain of the Aurora stated that even he was not made aware of its contents. The Wraith deleted the entry because it presented a danger to them. McKay also tried to access the information.

The Wraith were using the crew of the Aurora to devise a way to 'upgrade' their own hyperdrives for better efficiency.

This post has been edited by Revan: Feb 3rd 2006, 12:24 AM

Hey thanks Acady, sorry guys - only realised I made a spoiler bloop after I posted

but hmmm... for those that didn't know what I meant, let's say I meant to say 'Orion' (hmmm yeah that sounds plausable)

so back to topic - are we gonna start calling the Orion the "Big O" ?

heheheheh.... big O

and yeah I agree, I don't think the Wraith would have much luck in upgrading anything... is it just me or are you glad MacKay wasn't in that meeting between the Wraith 'scientist' and Dr. Beckett (the 'flashing' scene... priceless!). They were like "hmmm it's an aerosol this and it's an aerosol that" and after like 5 mins, the Wraith 'scientist' goes... "you turned it into a gas"

I can see it now - Mackay: No! We turned it into a Concrete Aerosol - you know - the solid kind - and threw it at them!

Does anyone have a link to a copy of the ep that is approx 20-50mb in size?? That would be helpful. If anyone has an upload speed of 256k or so and has msn, perhaps adding me and transferring thru msn would suffice (only small version tho, quality isnt too big a deal)


Thanks.
(will divulge msn addy when someone offeres interest in transfer)

I think they should reverse-engineer drone weapons.
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That would be great but is it possible ? What are they made of anyway?
BTW the Deadalus shields held on preety well considering the small size of the ship. They really need some better fire power because the rail guns only buy them enough time to escape in a real combat situation.
Why don't they use photon torpedoes. Didn''t they have the design specs of ha'tac class ships when building the
Deadalus?

haikon: its a matter of power supply.... the bid D has a limited amount of power to go around.. if they have unlimited power, they could turn the big D into a moving weapons platform with inpenetrable shields....

if the wraiths get to earth, we are so screwed.. promie is no match for 2 hive ships and unless the jaff decides to send in like 20 hatak, theres no way we can win.. of ocurse if the adgard sends the Daniel Jackson then we are all right...

but for those saying that out weapons can prevent them from culling... please remember that darts have beaming tech... and there are 6 billion of us.... they could just blow up our major cities to break reisstance and still have plenty left over to feast upon...

also regarding the orion hyperdrive,.... mckay could have possibly dl the upgraded specs to his trusty panel before they were beamed off... and now the wraith have it.. and if the hive ships hyperdrive is similar to the ancients intersystem hyperdrive, then they are unpgradable to intergalatic

Guys, I agree, yes it would be super-cool if Earth had all the big guns and the best shields and the ultimate whatsimathingy but c'mon! We have to have challenges and face seemingly insurmountable odds and overcome them, otherwise the franchise would go the way of ST:Enterprise ("ooo we have a problem with such and such? No worries, lets beam him out of there and fix up that theoretical thing we were studying 15 mins ago that will re-jig the whosamabob and solve the problem before we got to it!")

Atlantis just has a whole load of new drones, which, when faced with just two hive ships, they would unleash, killing the story in a 2 minute blaze of CGI glory. But afterwards we'd be bored. And I don't want to be bored! SG1 and A are the best freakin' sci-fi shows out there - so (to TPTB) please limit the drones! and the 5 minute wonder problem solving!

The Big D has the beaming tech and the nukes don't forget, which were pretty darned effective at first... now if only Hermiad can find a way to break the jamming code.....

I'm quite happy with us being the little guys in the Universe, trying to find out where we stand in the pecking order. And just an aside for Season Three... I'd like to see the guys use the Stargate more... and yeah someone mentioned before about exploration of Atlantis (and the planet it's on) - that could also prove fruitful...

Oh, talking of ships - I think the next one we find/build/scavange, should be humbly named after the writer of Greek mythology and Jack O'Neill's favourite character - the 'Homer'!

Hermiod notes that without the ZPM the Daeldelus' shields will not last forever. IF they had enough power it is possible they could come in as close as they wanted and fire rockets right up a Hive's arse.

In the name of story continuation, they cannot make the good guys too powerful, or make it too easy for them to overcome an enemy. 'Drama' is all about conflict. If the Daedelus could just nuke every Hive they came across there wouldn't be much conflict... It would become boring, and the writers probably won't do that.

I liked the CGI fight scenes involving the Daedelus, and I liked the shot of the Orion... beautiful ship.
I wonder what the Orion's drone firing mechanism looks like.

This post has been edited by Revan: Feb 3rd 2006, 1:07 PM

Great episode! I'd lie if I said that I just can't wait til August but I so want to know how this ends (well except the fact that all will end good - as always ). It was clear from the start that the Wraith are playing a double game but at least the exact way they didn't wasn't predictable.

And today I rewatched the episode 'Aurora' to find out just what the Wraith could have gotten from the mission files. And they really couldn't have gotten much because (as it was already mentioned somewhere in this thread) the Atlantis team didn't find out exactly how the hyperdrive could be modified so not much use there! And it's pretty sure that the Wraith from 'Aurora' didn't survive.

And Mckay was brilliant as usual - all the jokes ("Only everything you wanted to know about Wraith technology but were afraid to ask" etc.), his little quips with Hermiod

It could be seen as mildly dangerous to put massive egos such as Hermiod's and McKay's in the same room together... especially working on the same project.

I concur though... I loved their banter. McKay actually believes he is smarter than Hermiod. I suppose they do think differently, maybe humans are more creative? The Asgard don't seem much for "outside the box" thinking.

That's true, they need humans for that! But the interesting thing about McKay - Hermiod banter was that the Asgard was someone who McKay couldn't call less inteligent. Asgard are smarter by definition! So he just had to prove himself a little...

In episode 206 (Trinity) at the end, McKay tells Sheppard, "... I intend on being right again, about everything, effective immediately ::5 second silence:: that was a joke..." McKay seems to operate under the assumption that he is always right. I doubt his ego would allow for otherwise, even though he annihilated 5/6 of a star system because of his overconfidence and unwillingness to listen to other people.

Bottom line: Rodney McKay likes to ALWAYS be right!

definatly McKay has to be right, but then again if he wasnt he wouldn't be the McKay that is as funny as he is

yeah then does hermoid really have an ego as big as rodney's or was just taunting the arrogant human ?

Ha! The Daedalus has 302's! Yeah, I should have rationalised this one a while ago, but... I'm slow. Forgive me. ;)

Fantastic episode. Enjoyed every moment.
First of all, the way they were working together with the Wraith. Sorry Em for your comment from Coup d'Etat, but actually JM made a couple of comments that made me realise without reading a single spoiler it's gonna be the Wraith. Only I was totally wrong concerning the reason they were working together.

The constant references to "our hive", "our Wraiths" etc... lovely. I also enjoyed the Wraith scientist and - surprise, surprise, mostly mine - the Wraith Queen. It would seem they're finally trying to break out of the cliche Wraith - or so I hope it would seem. Which is all better.
The Micael-Teyla scene was done well... I like their interaction. I hope we'll get to see more of Michael in season 3.
Rodney upon getting all the info from the Wraith... huh. Did I mention how much I love this guy? ;) And the half apologetic way he talked to the Wraith.... Lol. I wonder tho if the information the Wraith gave Atlantis was real, or was it cooked up only to look real?...
And Hermoid! I'm starting to think he's the Asgaard counterpart of McKay.

I'd like just once to know what a Wraith's name sounds like. Really. Can't one of them break? Meh.

As for the ending, eek. Unfortunately I suppose they would find a way to stop them from coming to Earth, or it would have required a double-Atlantis-SG1 crossover, and I'm pretty sure they're not gonna do that... which would be a shame, but, oh well.

Anyhow, fantabulous season ending. Pitry amused.

eDIT: oops, I see there's a full discussion on how much Rodney and Hermiod are alike. So, I agree.

This post has been edited by Pitry: Feb 3rd 2006, 5:55 PM

I would very much like to see the Orion in action. It seems to be a fairly powerful ship, it is equipped with drone weapons. Even if it does not have an intergalactic hyperdrive, it is still faster than any Hive.

Does Hermiod seem less than pleased with his present assignment with "the humans" to anybody else? Or are we assuming it is a personality quirk?