I?m not a die hard fan, and not a big message board person, but here goes?
We are totally underestimating the ancients, they must have known that the ZPMs would eventually fail, and power the shield down, crushing Atlantis under the sea. And in Episode 19, we find out how the overloading generators and blowing up Atlantis wouldn?t stop the Wraith from getting at the Ancient technology, so if the humans didn?t arrive then the wraith would have eventually found Atlantis, all the ancient technology, and a shiny crystal to open a gate to a new bountiful dimension. Assuming the ancients are the smartest race we?ve encountered, they must have thought of that possibility. For all we know, Atlantis would realise it was being overrun and make a last ditch attempt at saving itself, using a new toy we haven?t heard of before. Maybe a biological weapon, a bomb, but something there is only one of, that way the humans are still not save. Then the Daedalus arrives a little late, and everyone?s happy except the wraith, who would no longer underestimate the humans and this time bitch slap them with 20 hive ships. It would leave a larger battle to be fought, even though the humans have Atlantis secured with their ZMP, they would only be safe a short time because the wraith defeated the ancients before.
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You've thought this out very thoroughly (for someone who isn't a die-hard fan). But in my opinion, I think the problem is we've totally overestimated the ancients. I think their society evolved intellectually and technologically to such a pinnacle that they came to rest on their...laurels, as it were.

Then slow entropy set in and they came to rely heavily on existing technology and knowledge. When the Wraith came, they had stagnated to the point that they were no longer able to come up with innovative solutions to new problems, which is, lucky for us, a strong point for the "Earth" humans, and which is what will enable us to defeat the Wraith in the end, succeeding where the Ancients failed.

Obviously they would have know that the power would have eventually failed. However I don't hink they gived a toss, We know once they sunk Atlantis they went back to Earth where they lived out the remainder of their lives. So if they were that concerned then why not return to the city in 10/100 years. To at least do a spot check on it, This way there would have been plenty of power left in the ZPM. So all they had to do once there was climb in a jumper, Fly out of the planet & have a thorough search for Wraith ships. Then all they had to do was, Go back to the planet & trace the route that Atlantis would have to take then dial the corresponding gates of the planets. & Once through they could fly up into space & check the surrounding areas. So if it was all safe then they could have made an attempt within 100/500 years after they returned. This way they would face negligable resistance & by destroying any enemies they come across they won't get a chance to send any info back to the hive ships. Then they would have had a good chance to escape back to the MW or even another galaxy if any was closer.

Although it was risky, the point I am trying to make is that they didn't even bother checking back on the city at all. So they weren't overly concerned about the Wraith being able to detect Atlantis.

Your point about if the humans hadn't found the city then the Wraith would have is not true. If they hadn't found it in 10,000 years, then if the Humans hadn't come through the ZPM would have only lasted for another few years before giving up then the ocean would have crushed the city & it would have never been found by anyone again especially the Wraith. All of them wouldn't have awoken at the same time if they hadn't encountered the SG Atlantis team. So any caretakers wouldn't have bothered with going to the planet that Atlantis is on, since we know the planet was empty of Human life.

Atlantis won't be able to launch any other hidden weapons, If it does have any. Which I think that it will. If you look at pics of the city. There are some things that look like they could open up & reveal something. Although it would have to have it's own power source. Since all ZPM's are currently depleted & the generators ain't powerful enough. If it doesn't then perhaps if the Daedalus can get the ZPM down & they managed to get it plugged in. Then it might automatically come online & fire.

Also what do you mean about a shiny crystal to open up a new dimension.

This post has been edited by JamesyBHOY: Mar 29th 2005, 11:07 AM

First, Zen's right. It's been at least a couple of days since the Marines arrived from Earth. The nukes alone took a day McKay said. Figure in time for Weir to negotiate for them, etc and other stuff, we're probably pushing close to the four days the Colonel quoted.

I disagree with the distance to Pegasus, though. I believe it's been explicitly stated that Pegasus galaxy is our own local dwarf Pegasus galaxy. That puts it at about 3 million light years distance. The IDA galaxy of the Asgard should be at least as far, possibly further.

Since the Asgard can cross the distance between our Galaxies in a matter of minutes, yet the Daedalus is taking days even with the ZPM boosting the engines, I think it's safe to say that it probably does NOT have an Asgard hyperdrive, though they may have suggested some improvements to our designs.

As for what I think will happen, Sheppard will vent the rear compartment of the PJ, sending the nuke tumbling towards the Wraith ship and he is able to make his escape. The nuke probably will damage one of the Hive ships.

Since we know the Daedalus has Asgard beaming tech, it also stands to reason that they probably installed Asgard sensors this time around. Remember the ending of Thor's Hammer when Thor showed up and beamed all the Jaffa away? Same thing happens to all the Wraith on Atlantis, courtesy of the Daedalus.

Having dealt with the most immediate threat to the city, the D turns her attentions to the Wraith ships in orbit. I will probably succeed in taking down the damaged ship and maybe some support craft before being too damaged to continue the fight. They're forced to back off, but not before beaming the ZPM down to Atlantis. With the ZPM installed, Sheppard is able to use the chair to activate the shields and some prior unknown weapons on Atlantis, possibly something like the beam weapon used by the defense satellite to take out the remaining Wraith ships.

Episode ends with the Daedalus landing for repairs and to offload all their cargo. It may or may not return to the Earth at this point and the ZPM is probably drained to the point that they can restore some power to the city, but not as much as they would like. To fully reactivate it will require more. Remember it required 3 ZPMs running in parallel to power the whole city for the Ancients. Even with fewer people, the power drain may still be too much for the one ZPM to maintain indefinitely.

I dont post that often, just read constantly, but, I just had an idea. It doesnt seem like anyone has brought this up yet so it probably wont happen....but. They said we would eventually encounter the people the made the nanovirus, obviously later in the season. However, the nano-virus doesnt affect people with the gene....and pretty much anyone left alive has the gene, of course, did Weir ever get it? I cant remember.

Anyways, what if they were to release that virus into the city, it would wipe out the wraith in the city, and leave whoever has the gene standing, right? I'm not sure if it is even still around, the EMI blast knocked them all out, but who knows, maybe another store is laying around, or something even better, that the wraith just stumble upon.

They have already encountered quite a few neat and nasty things in Atlantis, too bad that energy sucking thing isnt still around, but who knows with the wraith storming around in the city, they might accidently unleash something. Because even if we take out the hive ships, and are able to raise the shields, the city is still filled with wraith, and gotta get rid of them somehow, I do like the idea of just beaming htem out with asguard technology, but not sure if that will work.

I think cheya will end up playing a part in this, because i cant see any logical way of shepphard being saved, how is daedalous going to show up and just beam him off, they have to know where he is, and he is pretty close to those ships, we're talking minutes. Also, however, we do know that Ford gets captured and interrogated and turned into that super soldier, so maybe the wraith do capture shep and he is able to disable the ships from the inside.

This post has been edited by penguinpimp42: Mar 29th 2005, 3:47 PM

this is a reply to "popcorns" theroy

hey wat if popcorns right and we are underestimating the ancients and atlantis. it is said that atlantis runs on 3 zpm power sources, every1 knows that but the ancients must have know it will eventually run out, and i do believe that they did intend to return but they learned to accend. so it is my belief that they did have a contingency plan.

now to my theory, what if they modified atlantis's power supply to withstand the siege by the wraith several million years ago. what if they no longer required zpm's, what if there is a new type of power supply. a power supply that they had developed that was infinite, because it is not beyond the ancients. if thet did, it would be something like this. we know that zpm's gain their power by using a region of enclosed subspace. now we know that it (zpm) will eventually run out. now wat if they managed to tap into a black hole. coz a black hole is an infinate source of subspace matter.
now back to my theory, what if this power supply was hidden deep inside the city, and switched off after the ancients abandoned atlantis. now back to the episode (seige 3) we know the wraith r in the city, what if they accidently turn it on and atlantis beomes its true self and powers the shields to full.

i know this theroy is out there but it is not beyond the ancients. they were the most powerful beings in our galaxy and in the pegasus's. but remember they lost becasue of wiat of numbers, and not because of infferior technology.

The normal Stargates are unable to open a wormhole to another galaxy because they are missing an eighth chevron. In episode 9 ?Underground? (the team finds a planet which is inhabited by an energy race that looks like mist, and the team thinks they can go home, and then pass out and get illusions) Dr. Rodney McKay take the crystal out of Atlantis and put it in the gate of the mist world. This crystal is found in only two places, the earth Stargate and the Atlantis Stargate. The crystal creates an eighth chevron which allows the gate travellers to travel to another galaxy. This crystal is the only thing that is stopping the Wraith from getting back to earth.
The Wraith obviously knew where Atlantis is, because they we fighting the Ancients for many years and we know that the last defence the ancients have was their shield around Atlantis. For some reason, the Wraith didn?t decide to go back for the city after the Ancients left. But common sense would say that the shield couldn?t operate forever, it was simply a matter of time before the Shield powered down. And time is what the Wraith have, because they can hibernate. And the Atlantis team did awaken them, but they would have woken anyway because they feed every few years, the Atlantis team just shortened there hibernation by 50 years.
As for the Asgard coming to Atlantis? it doesn?t seem very logical, I mean they were crippled after the war with the replicators, and they not very helpful in the first place, when the Go?auld propelled a naquada comet towards earth the Asgard didn?t send help, when the Go?auld attacked earth, on several occasions, the Asgard were called upon and didn?t assist. The refused to give weapons, shields, cures for illnesses. Sure they save the day on occasion, but they owe the humans. They like to have a bubble bath on Cimmeria, while the humans do all the hard work. But I think the key point is that they would have mentioned the Asgard ships coming, it?s not something that skips your mind. But you never really know.
As for what will happen to Johnny in his magical space ride to give the Wraith a present, I can?t see what will happen to him, whatever happens he will probably survive, and succeed in a very heroic way.
The Daedalus will show up eventually, maybe we could expect an Asgard to be on the ship as well, it would be cool to have a little dude on a Stargate team.


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Sure the ancients would have know that it would have run out eventually. I'm sure over the course of millions of years they have went through a few of them. If they had planned on returning them surely they could have done so, Within a timeframe of 50/100/200/500 years. After that all the worlds would have been culled. The large majority of the Wraith fleet would have been back in hibernation. So there was no call to say, Oh we can't go back home anymore. Let's ascend instead. If they were at least concerned for the city's safety then they could have at least returned once to have a little check.

The Atlanteans couldn't have modified tthe ZPM's to combat the Wraith threat millions of years ago. Since the war only began & ended around 10,000 years ago. If they had developed an infinite power source then, Surely if they had that why even bother evacuating the city in the first place. If the shield would never have failed then they would never have left or lost the war. So when they left, They wouldn't have turned off an infinite energy source that is supplying the shields & holding back the ocean with one that will run out. Simply because if it runs out then the city will be crushed by the ocean or perhaps the Wraith could know since they have destoyed ancient battleships, outposts, planets, then they must have come a across a ZPM at some point. So it's not out of thinking that they could have done their own experiments on it to discover it's lifespan. Since we also know they have fed on Ancients then they could have extracted the necessary info about how many power the city. The exact same way that they did with Sumner.

So I highly doubt they could have an infinite power source. The ZPM was powerful enough & for millions of years, they had the technology to easily replace it. No other race had anything like it. Then they met the Wraith. They were caught offguard & unprepared. So there would have been no time to develop anything like that as there was a war going on.

The most obvious 2 answers though, that I think disproves it are.

1. If they did have it & it was switched off, Then when Weir went back in time in Before I Sleep. The Ancient who helped her. He was the one who put in the fail safe to raise the city. So why put Weir in a Stasis chamber & make her awaken every 3000 years to rotate & repalce a ZPM. When simply he could have switched on this infinite power. He couldn't have forgotten about it. When Weir was addressing the council, She specifically mentions the ZPM's running out when they arrived. Then when he is instructing her on how to change the ZPM's, I'm sure that would have also jogged his memory.

2. What is the point in having a show at all, If the writers are going to give it a never ending power supply. If that was the case then when the Hive ships are bombarding the shield from orbit & all the hundreds/thousands of Darts are blasting away at the shields. The they could go out to sunbathe & give them a little wave.

The likelyhood anyway is that the Wraith will only be in the city for at least 1 episode perhaps 2 max. So if it's hidden deep inside the city(Surely if it powers the whole city, then would it not be in the exact same place that the ZPM's are in, which will be the power room to the whole city.) They would have no way to find it, Unless it's a big flashing red button, That has a nice big sticker. "Press me to activate, Infinite Power Ahead."

I would although agree with you though, on the fact that it wouldn't have been beyond them to develop it. Although should it ever be discovered then there musn't be much long left for Stargate's lifespan.






True the Wraith knew where Atlantis was, Yes they were at the city's gates for years. However what explains why they didn't find it after it was sunk was simply. When the Ancient's decided that they would sink the city. Then they went on the offensive. The would have Used all the Drones that were left to destroy all remaining ships(After attempting unsuccessfully for years to penetrate the shields, they wouldn't have had the supplies/power for a full strength military campaign. So they would have taken it in turns or shifts. A few Hive Ships/Battleships/Battlecruisers etc would go for the city then if they got through them they could have held or taken the city while reinforcements were on the way. They would have taken turns for weeks/months at a time before being replaced by the others. So all that needed to be done was decide to sink the city, Then launch an unexpected attack, Drones, Jumpers etc. Destroy the few ships that were left. Then while they were being destroyed they would have sent out an sos for help. Once the ships were all destroyed, Sink the city & lower all the power emmissions eminating from the city. When the other Wraith ships appear they will see no sign of Atlantis. There will be no signs of wreckage, So they will simply d it was back to hibernation.

Yes that Wraith would have awoken in another 50/100 years to feed again. However it wouldn't have mattered. If the Atlantis team hadn't come through the gate. The cities shield would have failed within a couple of years anyway. So the city would have been crushed long before they had awoken.

There won't be any Asgard ships coming to the rescue, The whole point of the show it to have it set as them being stranded alone in an inhospitable galaxy against a seeming unbeatable enemy. So if the Adgard ships show up, then what happens when they destroy the Wraith ships. More will only be weeks way(there were just over 20 Hive ships in their quadrant of the galaxy alone, the other 40 would be around a couple of months away.) So to have any effect the Asgard ships would need to stay permanently. Then if anyone want to go home then can hop on the Asgard ship then have replacements from the SGC there in days. If this was the writers plan then would it not be better to just have SG-1 come to Pegasus & travel home for the weekends. So it won't happen.

There will most likely be an Asgard or 2 on the Daedalus for the same reasons as I put before. Then after it's finished they will go down & be a member of the Atlantis team. We know the Asgard know about ancient technology, They have an ancient database but have previously said that they have only scratched the surface of it. So it will not come down & automatically know how to operate & decipher everything. It will be a lot smarter & help them solve a lot of problems but it will be made to do so in such a way that it will be seen as arrogant & it will treat McKay as a child. Then McKay won't be the smartest one there & everyone will be turning to the Asgard for assistance. It will be getting all the attention. He will go & have his tantrums. It will be hillarious. Can't wait!

In the preview for duet - it says something like - "dont give away our position"

Maybe at the time of "duet" the wraith think that Atlantis was destroyed and that it is no longer a threat - it seemed to me that way.

Maybe in the seige 3 events - the wraith blow up a bit of atlantis and think the job is done. Damn! Whats gonna happen!!!!!11

This is kinda like what I was thinking. I am not sure if this spoiler has been thought of but here goes.



Well that is my try at it. You know the writter for atlantis are might just be scanning the forums for Ideas.

Just read the reply from avatar28. I should read more before posting my ideas. lol

LOL.

Not really, I would assume the most important thing would be to get rid of all their ships in orbit. If you don't get rid of them then backup will arrive. So even if they somehow got the ZPM into the city at the very start & raised the shields, The ZPM will only hold out for so long. The best course of action would be for the Daedalus to use it to boost the weapons(assuming there are some Asgard ones also installed. In 'The Lost City' pt2, they expended their weapons very quickly. So against 2 hive ships & 9 BC's they won't stay in one piece for too long. If they don't have any Asgard weapons then it wouldn't matter if they attempted to get the ZPM down as their first act. If however they have some form of Asgard/Goa'uld weapons then the extra power from the ZPM would allow them to kick ass all over the place. Fair enough, It will drain the ZPM a good bit but for using one to fly to another Galaxy anyway, I'm sure that has had a good bit taken out of it also.

So even in the Wraith remain in the city, other than through the gate they cannot call for backup as there will be none. Whereas if the ZPM was put in to the city straight away(The Daedalus if it has alien weapons probably won't survive, without the extra power being supplied to them.) The city's shield is glowing again, Now with Wraith loose in the city, when they see the shield go up they will try to power it down again as their no1 objective. Say they get a lucky shot in to a critical system or get to the power room directly, the shield goes down backup arrives they take the city. Now my way, Big D uses the ZPM drops out of hyperspace & gives it everything at them, Will at least get 1 down due to the suprise it will cause. Then either target the other cruisers(without backup the Hive will retreat) or take the other Hive out(the BC's will retreat. Better yet, go nuts & take them all out. Put the ZPm down to the city, The Wraith manage to knock out the shields. Doesn't matter, No backup will arrive, So instead the Daedalus can send it's 302's down then realising they have been thwarted this time, they retreat through the gate.

Then when all is clear, McKay can attempt to get the ZPM up & running again, Even if he cannot, All other Wraith ships will still be a few weeks away from reaching the city. Then they have enough time to go to the other known outposts to look for their ZPM's or go back to the planet from 'The Brotherhood'. Proceed to Grab the woman who double crossed them, Take her back to Atlantis & attempt to show her they are the modern day Ancients. Then they might be able to persuade her to reveal the location of the ZPM or if not, then make her tell them where it is. Another thought was as they have a few weeks, The Daedalus could travel a few days back towards the MW & send a subspce msg, Hopefully it will be picked up by the Asgard & relayed to the SGC. Who can get the Jaffa Fleet who have the modified Replicator enhanced ships to go to Pegasus. Then let the battle begin. This though won't happen. Destroy the Wraith so quickly then the show won't have long left in it's lifespan.

hey i was thinking about the theory that others are saying about the deadulus, and why earth would send it to the pegasus galaxy. my view is why on earth would you send the deadulus to another galaxy where there is an enemy such as the wraith. they beat the ancients and their advanced ships/technology, for god sake and i don't why you would send such a primative piece of technology to fight a far more powerful enemy. look we know the 303 can only carry 6 to 8 302 fighter craft, like this is going to stop the wraith. they've got shitloads of darts and bc's. look i know it has been upgraded by the asgard, and enhanced by a zpm.

but my logic is why send the deadulus, when u could have easily modified a hatak to make it far superior and give a fight to the wraith.

Look firstly with the jaffa now free and owe us afavor for helping them defeat the gouald. they would probably give earth at least 1 hatak with gliders.

Another advantage a modifeid hatak has over the deadulus is that the hyperdrive works and is stable and with modification by the asgard it could be alot faster maybe even match asgard speeds.

With the zpm to enhance it the weapons and sheilds will be more power and the asgard can help us make them better as well.

but the most important advantage that the modified hatak has over the deadulus is that it has long range sensors and working asgard beam technology. this could be a very good feature in fighting the wraith.

other advantages are that a hatak can carry alot more gliders and possibly 302's then the deadulus.it can also carry alot more food and resources for the atlantis team as well as personal.

thus this is why i can't get around the fact they earth is sending the deadulus rather then a modified hatak. i see the hatak is beeing a way better option then sending an unproven 303 the deadulus, even if it is enhanced its not going to stand a chance if it is out numbered.

this is my opinion anyway, but i would like to see what you guys think.

This post has been edited by iceman302: Apr 1st 2005, 9:28 AM

i dunno if anyone's put this idea out there yet, but i am anyways:

the new colonel at atlantis somehow gets in the hands of the wraith, and is on one of the hiveships. a wraith is questioning him, but he won't tell them anything. he now realizes what a threat these things are to atlantis. then the wraith starts feedin on the colonel. all of a sudden, sheppard comes in (he somehow gets out of the suicide mission) and sees all this happenin, and shoots the colonel (exactly like what happened to colonel sumner). then sheppard kills all the wraith that are around him, and goes up to the almost dead colonel. the colonel tells sheppard that he now knows why sheppard did what he did to sumner, the colonel dies, and sheppard gets out of the hiveship.

who knows?

I do agree with you there, Logically the only ships that could come to the rescue would be the Jaffa Fleet. The modified Replicator ships would have been perfect & surely for all the SGC has done in helping them out in gaining their freedom. Then they could have gave them a half a dozen/dozen ships, Use the ZPM on 1 to boost all it's systems then get that there to Pegasus. Then that could take care of them, If not all can be destroyed then any left would surely retreat, Then with other backup being weeks away for the Wraith. The other Hat's or MS's would arrive from the MW to help out. Although I put this same info in other posts, Perhaps since we really don't know the definite timeframe between the 2 shows. Then perhaps the ships were still being used at the time. So the only available ship was Daedalus.

If this was the case & only Big D is coming to the rescue, Then although they would be aware of what they were putting it up againt. I honestly don't think they had a choice otherwise, Think about it for a minute, Your backed in a corner fighting for you life. What would you do! You would throw everything you have at them in a desperate attempt to get yourself out of that situation. So Daedalus seems to be way more advanced than Prometheus, So other than the ancient outpost, This ship would be Earth's most powerful weapon. I doubt it'll be anything like the Prometheus in the terms of armaments. In 'The Lost City' it expended all it had very quickly without doing any damage to the ships in orbit. They were only able to take out a couple of Hat's & Gliders. So all it's weapons which I would assume to be missiles & rail guns would have had to at least been attempted to be upgraded. The Daedalus is geared more towards Alien Tech, So it'll most likely have been upgraded after what they saw happen to Prometheus. The most likely weapons will be Goa'uld although I hope the Asgard have chipped in a bit also in that department.

I hope the overall look of the ship, although it appears to be very similar to Prometheus in the schematic we have saw of it. With a bit of luck it'll be far more streamlined. Prometheus looks like a big D### with 2 balls dragging it along. Plus mix in Goa'uld & Asgard tech(Comms/Shields/Engines/Weapons + other advanced tech) then it could just make it out in one piece. The only concern is the Prometheus I'm pretty sure has 8 302's, Say Big D has a couple more they will still have no chance against the swarms of Darts they will encounter. Especially if you can see how easily they can take out a Jumper, which in itself could destroy a Hat'ak in a single shot, I doubt a 302 could do that. If they must destroy it, then it should only be replaced by a Battle Damaged Ancient Warship. Leaving them with no ship at all would royally suck.

i agree jamesybouy, it would really suck if the deadulus was taken out as soon as it arrives and tries to repel the attack. but with yor point of the timeframe and how your kind of imply that they are still fighting relicators or anubus. i can't see this happening because technically they already have the zpm from ra. this only occurs in sg-1's last episode of season eight. at this point they ,mention that they have already defeated the replicators/ anubus and to great extent gouald. also in mobeius 1 carter says that the deadulus is still being finalised and tested so by the time its workinhg and preparing to embark on pegasus. i think they should have considered the hatak idea. it is a more logical and sfe idea. look a modified hatak could take maybe 50 to 100 gliders a few vargo ships and probably 1 to 4 alkesh. i really don't see why you wouldn't use a hatak as the first offencive on the wraith and have the deadulus and other hataks come later on. like i said before it already has beam tech and sensors with effective weapons. and ireckon it would have been really cool if it was able to cloke like when apophus had his fleet cloked.

look i know this isn't going to happen because the deadulus is already on its way but the modified hatak is a lot more stratigically better against an enemy lik the wraith.

i can see jamesy that u share my view that 302's arn't going to do s**t to the swarm of darts. for god sake they use missiles and rail guns. to put it simply were using tumb tacks and their using machine guns. i don't think the deadulus is going to survive for long maybe 1 to 5 episodes coz its doomed when the wraith attack in force, but thats if they don't get blown out of the sky when they arrive at atlantis in the first place. look even if they have asgard shields and weapons. the odds are 10 to 1. the ancients were going on odds like that and they got there ass kicked. and you can imagine how much more advanced there ships were!

But personally, i think i know what happens. First thing we see is a summartion of the previous two. Then, credits and such and such, but you then see Sheppard flying the ship and a flash of light. Duh, one wraith ship gone. however the second wraith ship has beamed him up Scotty, and well, sheppards now unconscious and in the other ship. The second jumper now goes up while the rest of the citty is still in chaos. you then see that a whole bunch of the humans on atlantis are now on the wraith ship, a reprive you might call it. Sheppard is going to steal a wraith dart, or something that can fly and leave the ship with a whole bunch of the captured people, space fight galore. Daedulus is going to show up about halfway through the fight, and sheppard get on, second nuke get sent up, and while the deadulus is distracting the wraith, the jumper goes in and kills the second wraith. or gets destroyed. Did anyone consider what happens once the ZMP is removed from the ship? is it a whoopY and the end? i think not

jagace, i agree with your last point, whats going to happen when the zpm is beamed down? well simply i don't believe its going to happen, if the deadulus arrives to engage the wraith over atlantis, they are going to need the zpm, they are not going beam it down. its just stupid even with the zpm they are not goiong to be able to take out all the wraith ships iin orbit. beaming it down to atlantis is going to be suicidal. they will be blown out of the sky. if anything is going to happen the deadulus is going to have to land on atlantis, if it does its going to sustain heavy damage. this is probalbly the only possibility due to the fact once they remove the zpm. there going to be pretty much defenceless, and will need atlantis's sheilds for protection. i've read alot of theories going around and most people are saying beam it down send a 302 or somthing like that. but like i said before remove it and there doomed. even if they have have advanced shields and weapons they are not going to be able to sustain constain fire by the wraith ships. thus i believe that it will be unlikly that the deadulus is going to save the day. or the asgard sending a fleet of ships. at most maybe some hataks with free jaffa, long shot but possible. but its probably going to be shep going somthing about it maybe ford, or a long shot mckay doing somthing stupid or by mistake.

The modified Ha'tak sounds cool, but then I guess that'd keep the modified Ha'tak for Earth, and instead send ships which they know how to produce on their own, instead of relying on some ship was could have been sabotaged, modified with secret programs and so on.



About the Shep shooting Sumers thing and the whole cheesy/clich? excuse "now I understand". I think it can happen in the city, and does not need to involve Shep.
The colonel would understand anway if someone else, like Ford, went to stop a Wraith from feeding upon him. Then maybe he'd say to Ford that he understood what Shep did and FOrd would just report that.

Is the Colonel not dead?

Not at the moment. News about season 2 said that he is the new commanding officer of Atlantis. Im guessing he will remain.

I was thinking about how some people were wondering why it takes 4days for the deadulus to go to another galaxy when it has an asgard hyperdrive and it only takes a few hours for an Asgard ship to go to another galaxy. Even though Earths ship has a very advanced engine, it doesnt mean its gonna go super fast in a "primitive" ship. Example, if I was to some how get a F1 engine in my '89 Datson, its not gonna go 300km/h right?

Yeah nice one mate. Good to see the "dato" is not fogotten - certainly isnt in Australia.

I still think the Dadalus swill be flamked by two asgard ships it is a long road to another galaxy and with no reps to worry bout any more they can spare a ship or two if it means possible end to their cloning problem.

(A couple of BATTLE SHIPS). They are not going to need battle ships with no battle to fight right? These ships will have no use in re-building their empire so they may as well take along a couple for techincal support at least - this may be why the asgard crew member will be coming along.

That idea or he will be on the Big D and will look after the asgard equipment on her.